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Meg a n G ood w in 00:3 8 Wha t is u p , n erd s? H i, h ello , I'm M eg a n G ood w in , a s c h o la r o f A m eric a n r e lig io ns, r a ce , and g en d er. A nd t h e h a lf o f t h is d uo t h a t lo ve s m ea t a nd h a te s r a is in s.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 00:4 9 Hi, h ello , I'm Ily se M org en ste in F uers t, a s c h o la r o f r e lig io n, Is la m , r a ce a nd r a cia liz a tio n, and h is to ry a nd t h e h a lf o f t h is d uo t h a t lo ve s t o m ato es a nd h a te s p ea nut b utte r.

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Pa g e 1 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i I m ea n, I a ls o lo ve t o m ato es, b ut I a ls o lo ve p ea nut b utte r. I lo ve a lo t o f t h in g s. I lo ve y o u.

Hey n erd s, h ey! H ow 's it h a ng in g? W ha t a re - w ha t a re w e e ve n a sk in g a b out t h ere ? Y o u kn o w w ha t- If it is h a ng in g , w e h o p e t h a t t h a t's w ha t y o u w ant f o r y o urs e lf . A nyw ay, la st tim e w e c h a tte d a b out r e lig io n, g en d er, a nd s e x, e sp ecia lly in t h e U nit e d S ta te s, o r w ha t is no w c a lle d t h e U nit e d S ta te s. A nd s in ce ( a lle g ed ly ) t h ere a re o th er p la ce s in t h e u n iv e rs e besid es t h e U -S -o f- A ? I g uess? T o d ay w e'r e g oin g t o t a lk a b out r e lig io n, g en d er, a nd s e x in oth er p la ce s. D on't w orry , t h o ug h. W e'r e s till la rg ely g ru m py, t h ere 's jo y t o k ill t h e w ho le world o ve r.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 01:4 0 Th a t's r ig ht. S o m uch jo y t o k ill.

Meg a n G ood w in 01:4 3 Ha!

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 01:4 4 To d ay w e'r e g oin g t o t a lk a b out r e lig io n, s e x, a nd g en d er t h ro ug h a b ig o l' t o ur t h e w orld .

Th in k o f t h is lik e L if e sty le s o f t h e R ic h a nd F a m ous, o r 4 0 D ays A ro un d t h e W orld : a lil s e t of g lim pse s a t h o w r e lig io n, g en d er, a nd s e x a re a ll p la yin g t o g eth er n ic e ly ( a nd o th erw is e ) in a b un ch o f lo ca tio ns s p annin g r e lig io us a ffilia tio n. T h ere is , d ea r n erd s, n o r e a l r h ym e o r re a so n t o t h e- t o t h e e xa m ple s w e'v e c h o se n , e xc e p t t h a t t h ey a re g ood illu stra tiv e exa m ple s.

Meg a n G ood w in 02:1 4 Lo ve it , lo ve it . A ll a b oa rd f o r t h e L E SSO N P LA N . I s e e y o u g iv in g m e t ra in jo ke s. I ap pre cia te y o u. O ka y, s o t w o q uic k t h in g s b efo re w e la un ch - a ctu a lly q uic k t h is t im e, n o t lik e la st t im e. F ir s t, a r e m in d er t h a t g en d er is m ad e u p . A s I k e ep s a yin g , g en d er is mea nin g t h a t w e m ake o n a nd a b out o ur b od ie s. It is r e a l a nd h a s r e a l e ffe cts . A nd p eo p le lit e ra lly d ie f r o m d oin g g en d er w ro ng o r f r o m o th er p eo p le t h in kin g t h a t t h ey d o g en d er wro ng . E ve n a s s o m etim es t h o se v e ry s a m e p eo p le g iv e t h em se lv e s lif e b y d oin g t h eir gen d er, h o w a nd a s a nd if t h ey c h o ose . N um ber t w o, g en d er is s o cia lly c o nstru cte d . S o it lo oks d if fe re n t in d if fe re n t p la ce s, a s t o s e x, s e xu a lit y , r a ce , a b ilit y , c la ss a nd c a ste . W hile Ily se s h o cks a nd a w es u s w it h e xa m ple s f r o m a ro un d t h e w orld , w e'l l d o o ur b est t o delin ea te h o w g en d er is d is tin ctiv e in a g iv e n lo ca tio n.

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Pa g e 2 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 03:1 0 And t h a t's k in d o f t h e p oin t, is n 't it ? O ur g oa l t o d ay is t o s h o ck a nd a w e w it h in fo rm atio n pre cis e ly s o w e c a n s h o w y o u h o w g en d er is , a t o nce , s u b je ct t o g lo b al p atte rn s w it h in it s ow n s y ste m s lik e r e lig io n, lik e im peria lis m , lik e a p art ic u la r r e lig io us p ra ctic e , a nd u tte rly , to ta lly m alle a b le b ase d o n lo ca tio n, e ra , la ng ua ge, r a ce , e tc .

Meg a n G ood w in 03:3 1 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 03:3 1 So a s a r e m in d er, t h e " s h o ck a nd a w e" is a t o ol I u se ( b la ck h um or u tte rly p la in ) in m y o w n cla sse s, a nd h ere o n t h e p od a s a w ay t o h ig hlig ht ju st h o w b ig , h o w m uch , h o w v a st t h e exa m ple s c a n b e. It 's r a re ly m ea nt- Meg a n G ood w in 03:4 5 Can- C an I p ause f o r a s e co nd ?

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 03:4 6 Ye a h.

Meg a n G ood w in 03:4 7 Beca use I la ug h a nd g et y o ur b la ck h um or a b out t h e s h o ck a nd a w e b ut it 's p ossib le s o m e of o ur lis te n ers , m ayb e d on't g et t h a t r e fe re n ce .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 03:5 7 Oh, t h a t's a -th a t's a m ilit a ry r e fe re n ce a s t o h o w t h e U S f ig hts t h e W ar o n T e rro r.

Meg a n G ood w in 04:0 1 Ye a h...

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Pa g e 3 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 04:0 2 Wit h s o m any b om bs, t h a t y o u a re s h o ckin g a nd a w ein g - t h e a w e is t h e r e a lly im port a nt part . Y o u s h o uld b e a fr a id o f o ur m ig ht, a nd b eca use t h is is a r e lig io n c la ss, a nd it 's " a w e," th ere 's lik e a lit tle G od p un in t h ere .

Meg a n G ood w in 04:1 8 Mhm , m hm . jo ke s a re a lw ays b ette r if y o u h a ve t o e xp la in t h em .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 04:2 1 Tru ly .

Meg a n G ood w in 04:2 2 So rry . P le a se - Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 04:2 4 Anyw ay, a s h o ck a nd a w e f o r m e it 's r a re ly m ea nt t o b e c o m pre h en siv e , it 's - it 's a ctu a lly mea nt t o in un d ate a nd o ve rw helm o n p urp ose . A nd in d oin g t h is , I h o p e t o g iv e , u m , s o m e sp ecif ic e xa m ple s f o r y o u t o h o ld o n t o a s a w ay t o s h o w y o u t h is o ve ra ll in esc a p ab le patte rn . B ut t h e g oa l, t h e t h esis t o d ay is : o f c o urs e , t h a t r e lig io n, g en d er, a nd s e x a re alw ays in t h e m ix a b out e ve ry s in g le t o p ic w e c a n im agin e. S o if y o u t h in k a b out r e lig io n, and d on't t h in k a b out s e x o r g en d er, y o u'r e d oin g it w ro ng .

Meg a n G ood w in 04:5 5 Yo u a re d oin g it w ro ng . A nd d on't d o it w ro ng . D o it r ig ht. K eep in g it 1 0 1, O N T O DAY. A se g m en t w here w e d o s o m e P ro fe sso r w ork .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 05:0 4 So lik e , s h o uld w e ju st ju m p r ig ht in , M eg a n? S h o uld I ju st p ic k s o m e s p ots in t h e w orld a nd ta lk a b out h o w g en d er w ork s? I f e el lik e if t h is is a w orld t o ur m eta p ho r, t h en t h en w e bette r g et o n t h e t ra in a nd g et o n b oa rd a nd g et g oin g . W e h a ve c it ie s t o r o ck!

M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 4 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Meg a n G ood w in 05:2 3 We, w ho a re a b out t o r o ck, s a lu te y o u. I t h in k it 's a g ood p la n! I r e a liz e t h o ug h, t h a t g iv in g yo u t h e w ho le w orld is k in d o f a d ic k m ove . S o , h o w a b out I, lik e , m ayb e p it c h in w hen y o u hit s o m e s p ots y o u'r e n o t a s f a m ilia r w it h ? I, lik e , o b vio usly y o u k n o w o od le s o f s tu ff s o , s o many t h in g s. A nd y o u m ig ht b e t h e p ers o n w ho k n o w s t h e m ost r a nd om s tu ff e ve r. S o I tru st y o u. N erd s, w e t ru st h er s h e's a p ro fe ssio na l. S h e ju st a ls o - b eca use n o o ne c a n k n o w lit e ra lly e ve ry th in g .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 05:5 4 Ye a h, n o , p le a se . P lu s, n erd s. T h e r e a lit y is n o ne o f y 'a ll w ant t o h ea r f r o m m e t h a t- t h a t much . W e'v e - w e'v e s c rip te d p la ce s w here M eg a n is s u p pose d t o c u t m e o ff a nd g iv e u s so m e r a d k n o w le d ge t h a t s h e's g ot in h er h ea d .

Meg a n G ood w in 06:0 7 Ye a h, lik e I n eed a s c rip t t o c u t y o u o ff. C om e o n.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 06:0 9 Anyw ay, if s e x, g en d er, a nd r e lig io n h a s a lo t o f c o nto urs a nd v a rie ty in t h e U nit e d S ta te s, ju st im agin e h o w v a st t h ese d if fe re n ce s a nd c o nve rg en ce s c a n b e g lo b ally . H ere a re s o m e exa m ple s. T h ey a re n o t e xh a ustiv e , b ut w ha t I'm t ry in g t o d o is p ain t a p ort ra it o f h o w gen d er a nd s e x h a ve f u n ctio ned . It 's m e, y o ur im peria lis m p ro fe sso r, s o I w ill a b so lu te ly b e dro p pin g k n o w le d ge o n h o w im peria lis m a nd w hit e C hris tia n E uro p ea ns m ad e g en d er a th in g , O NE t h in g , o ft e n a s p art o f w hit e C hris tia n s u p re m acis ts ' n o tio ns o f, h ea r t h e s c a re quo te s, " g ood " a nd " c o rre ct" b od ie s. B eca use w hen w e'r e t a lk in g g en d er, lik e a ll t h ese so cia l c o nstru cts , w e a re t a lk in g p ow er.

Meg a n G ood w in 06:5 2 Ye a h, y e a h, y e a h. S o rry . I'm s till s tu ck o n t h e d ro p pin g k n o w le d ge c u z it p ut m e in lik e a dro ne-s trik e y p la ce . N ot lik e t h a t. D ro p pin g is - is in t h e h o t ja m s, n erd s. U h, y e a h. B ut le t's - le t's s ta rt t h ere . H ow d id w hit e P ro te sta nt / C hris tia n e m pir e s m ake g en d er a t h in g? L ik e , if yo u g et t h e e m pir e - Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 07:1 6 M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 5 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i HA! I'm t w o f o r t w o o n t h e jo ke s!

Meg a n G ood w in 07:1 6 I'm s o rry , n erd s I h a ve t o g et t h ro ug h t h e S ta r W ars jo ke ! B eca use I k n o w - Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 07:1 6 Yo u c a n't t e ll- y o u c a n't t e ll: b ut I'm d oin g a c h a ir d ance .

Meg a n G ood w in 07:2 4 Beca use Ily se h a te s S ta r w ars s o m uch ! A nd a ls o w as c o nvin ce d t h a t t h ey a re b asic a lly ju st w hit e C hris tia nit y . S h e's n o t w ro ng , a nyw ay. M ayb e if I m ake y o u g et t h e E m pir e o ut o f yo ur s y ste m , lik e F in n in T h e F o rc e A w ake n s, a nd a ls o T h e L a st J e d i, t h en w e c a n, lik e , move o n t o o ur n ext s to p o n t h is g lo rio us t ra in r id e a ro un d t h e w orld .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 07:5 3 Alr ig ht, h is to ry t ra in . L et's g o! S o m ost- Meg a n G ood w in 07:5 6 Cho o c h o o!

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 07:5 8 Yo u'r e m akin g m e c ra ck!

Meg a n G ood w in 08:0 0 Yo u m ad e m e d o s u rp ris e S ta r W ars ! A H EM ! C ho o, c h o o.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 08:0 4 Tw ic e ! I a ctu a lly t w ic e s u rp ris e S ta r W ars 'd y o u t h is - M M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 6 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Meg a n G ood w in 08:0 6 Ye a h, y e a h, y e a h. Y e a h. N o, r e sp ect.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 08:0 9 Alr ig ht, h is to ry t ra in . A ll a b oa rd . M ost s o cie tie s h a ve h a d a s e n se o f g en d er a nd s e x, th o ug h s e xu a lit y is a m od ern c o nce p t. A nd I d o n o t w ant t o s a y o th erw is e . T h ere h a ve been id ea s t h a t " w om en " e xis t, a nd t h ey'r e d if fe re n t f r o m " m en " w ho a ls o e xis t. It ju st- it 's ju st t h a t w ha t it h a s m ea nt t o B E a w om an o r B E a m an h a s c h a ng ed r a d ic a lly o ve r t im e, ra d ic a lly b etw een s o cie tie s, a nd h a s a lw ays b een in t e n sio n w it h in c o nte m pora ry , co nte m pora neo us s e ttin g s.

Meg a n G ood w in 08:4 1 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 08:4 2 I a ls o w ant t o g iv e a p ause o n s e xu a lit y , w hic h - w hic h t o m y e ye is m ore d ic e y, h is to ric a lly , beca use it - it r e a lly is a n ew c o nce p t.

Meg a n G ood w in 08:5 0 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 08:5 0 So h ete ro se xu a lit y , a nd e xp lic it ly t h e id ea o f s e x a s a f u n ctio n o f r e p ro d uctio n, h a s b een assu m ed a nd r e g ula te d . A nd w e'l l s e e m ore o n t h a t- w ell w e s a w a lo t o f t h a t in t h e la st ep is o d es, w e'l l s e e m ore o n t h a t, f r a nkly , f o re ve r.

Meg a n G ood w in 09:0 5 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 09:0 5 Wha t I m ea n t o p oin t o ut h ere is t h a t t h e id ea t h a t w e c o uld b e h o m ose xu a l, f o r e xa m ple , M M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 7 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i is a n ew id ea . E ve n if m en h a vin g s e x w it h m en is 1 0 0% , n o t n ew . A nd I'm d ra w in g o n m en ha vin g s e x w it h m en a nd t h e w ord h o m ose xu a l b eca use w hen w e t h in k a b out s e xu a lit ie s, th is is t h e h is to ry o f h o w t h ese t e rm s d eve lo p .

Meg a n G ood w in 09:2 8 Th a t is t ru e. S o , m en h a vin g s e x w it h m en , n o t n ew . D ecid in g t h a t a m an w antin g t o h a ve se x w it h o th er m en is t h e m ost im port a nt t h in g t h a t y o u c a n k n o w a b out h im a nd is t h e tru th o f h is id en tit y , t h a t is - t h a t's p re tty f r ic kin n ew .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 09:4 6 Ye s.

Meg a n G ood w in 09:4 7 I s h o uld s a y p re tty f u ckin g n ew c u z y o u k n o w , t h e jo ke , a nd a ll. It 's r e a lly - it 's - h is to ry - tim elin es o n t h is v a ry , b ut it 's s o m ew here b etw een 2 0 0 a nd 4 0 0 y e a rs , n o t e ve n , lik e 1 5 0 t o lik e 3 0 0 y e a rs o ld .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 10 :0 1 Ye a h, it 's a f e a tu re o f w ha t w e w ould c a ll m od ern it y . S o a t t h e s a m e t im e, w e a re deve lo p in g c a te g orie s o f r e lig io n, c a te g orie s o f r a ce , n ew s c ie n tif ic id ea s, w e a re a ls o deve lo p in g n ew id en tit y m ark e rs a ro un d s e xu a lit y .

Meg a n G ood w in 10 :1 5 And lik e t h is p an-A ra b ic o r p an-Is la m ic w orld , y o u g et f o lk s w ho a re b ein g lu m ped in to a gro up t o g eth er t h a t w ould n't n ece ssa rily h a ve r e co g niz e d t h em se lv e s a s a g ro up g oin g , "O h, o h, m ayb e w e d o h a ve t h in g s in c o m mon, a nd m ayb e w e s h o uld a ct lik e w e a re a un if o rm id en tit y g ro up?" Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 10 :2 9 To ta lly . S o , I w ant t o b ra cke t t h a t. T h e o th er t h in g t h a t I w ant t o b ra cke t is t h a t, u m , t h e id ea t h a t w om en h a ve a lw ays b een s u b m is siv e , o r m en h a ve a lw ays b een d om in a nt, o r wha te ve r t h e, lik e , o r w ha t t h e f u ck e ve r is s o m e- it 's s o m e c ra p .

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Pa g e 8 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Meg a n G ood w in 10 :4 4 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 10 :4 5 If y o u r e a d a ncie n t t e xts , h ere 's a c lu e t h a t w om en w ere w ild in g a b out. L o ok a t a ll t h e pla ce s t e xts a re t e llin g w om en t o s to p w ild in g a b out. H ere 's t h e d ea l, n erd s, n o o ne- a nd I am p are n tin g in a p and em ic - n o o ne n eed s t o t e ll a q uie t c h ild t o b e q uie t. N o p are n t s it s ab out a nd y e lls , " S h ush ! B e q uie t!" w hen t h e r o om is s ile n t. Y o u t e ll k id s t o b e q uie t w hen th ey a re N O T q uie t. R ig ht? S o , w hen w e s e e t e xts in clu d in g ( a nd p erh a p s e sp ecia lly in t h is co nte xt) r e lig io us t e xts , t e llin g u s t h a t w om en s h o uld b e s u b m is siv e , s h o uld b e q uie t, sh o uld n o t lik e s e x, s h o uld b e d ain ty , s h o uld b e w ha te va h. P le a se f in d t h is a s a s p ace t o re a d in to t h e t e xt. P re cis e ly , t o r e a d in to t h e t e xt t h a t w om en w ere d oin g a ll o f t h e t h in g s th ey'r e b ein g t o ld n o t t o . B eca use , n o o ne t e lls a q uie t c h ild t o b e q uie t.

Meg a n G ood w in 11:5 0 Hm m!

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 11:5 2 Gen era tio ns o f t h is k in d o f " w om en s h o uld b e," " m en s h o uld b e," " p eo p le s h o uld b e m en and w om en -" g en era tio ns o f t h o se k in d s o f m essa ges g et c o nd it io ned , u h , a nd w e g et co nd it io ned t o e xp ect t h a t w om en , m en , p eo p le b eh a ve in t h ese w ays. S o w hy d o I c a re ab out t h is ?

Meg a n G ood w in 12 :1 2 I- Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 12 :1 2 Go a hea d .

Meg a n G ood w in 12 :1 3 Can I p op in f o r o ne s e co nd ?

I t h in k t h is is o ne o f t h e m ajo r c o ntra d ic tio ns a nd p ara d oxe s of g en d er, is t h a t w e t a lk a b out it a s t h o ug h it is n a tu ra l, t h a t it is a ssu m ed , t h a t is M M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 9 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i in h ere n t, t h a t it is e sse n tia l, a nd a t t h e s a m e t im e, w e a s c u lt u re s s p en d in fin it y t im e te llin g p eo p le h o w t o d o t h eir g en d er. S o lik e , if it w ere n a tu ra l, t h a t x b od y p art e q ua ls x beh a vio r, w e w ould n't h a ve t o w rit e a b out t h is a t a ll. A nd y e t, h ere w e a re .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 12 :1 4 Ye a h.

Aga in , w e d on't n eed t o t e ll q uie t c h ild re n t o b e q uie t.

Meg a n G ood w in 12 :4 8 We d o n o t.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 12 :5 0 So w hy d o I c a re a b out t h is ? W hy a m I s ta rt in g o ur t ra in t o ur t h is w ay? T w o r e a so ns. O ne, beca use w hen w e t a lk a b out g lo b al p ers p ectiv e s o n g en d er, a nd a s I t ry t o p ars e o ut t h e ro le o f w hit e C hris tia ns in ju st a s e co nd , w e'r e g onna s e e s o m e h o t n o nse n se , w here " g ood Chris tia n w om en " d o X , Y , a nd Z . A nd I w ant y o u t o h ea r t h a t a s a lie , e ve n a s t h a t n o rm is re if ie d a nd u p held a nd c la im ed . A nd s e co nd , b eca use w hen w e t a lk a b out t h e w ho le world , w hit e e u ro -A m eric a n p eo p le h a ve t h is r e a lly f u cke d u p in h erit a nce a b out im agin in g ours e lv e s a d va nce d a nd t h e r e st o f t h e w orld b eh in d .

Meg a n G ood w in 13 :3 2 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 13 :3 2 WE a re g ood t o o ur w om en . T H EY a re n o t. W e w hit e f o lk , a nd f o lk lo ca te d in e u ro - Am eric a n c o nte xts , c a n't t a lk a b out r e lig io n a nd g en d er, w it h o ut a ls o t a lk in g a b out h o w our id ea s a b out r e lig io n a nd g en d er s u p erio rit y a re t ie d t o o ur t e xts , o ur h is to ry o f im peria lis m , a nd o ur a ssu m ptio ns o f g en d er " o ve r t h ere ." Meg a n G ood w in 13 :5 6 Ye a h, y e a h. A nd n o t t o m ake t h is a b out t h e U nit e d S ta te s a ga in , b ut a ls o , y o u k n o w h o w I do. It 's e xtre m ely im port a nt t h a t y 'a ll h ea r u s s a y t h a t A m eric a is p art o f t h is im peria l driv e , a nd is a m ajo r f o rc e in p ush in g t h is " w e a re d ro ne s trik in g t h e s h it o ut o f t h ese o ft e n M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 10 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Muslim m ajo rit y c o un trie s o r r e g io ns f o r t h e 'g ood ' o f t h eir w om en " r h eto ric . L it e ra lly , th a nks, O bam a.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 14 :2 3 Ye a h, s o t h ere 's a lo t o f w ork o n t h is , b ut t h e s h o rt o f w ha t w e'r e t ry in g t o g et a t r ig ht n o w is t h a t C hris tia n a nd B ib lic a l u n d ers ta nd in g s o f g en d er; b in a ry , e n fo rc e a b le , f o r pro cre a tio n, w it h s u b m is siv e la d ie s a s a t re a t. If y o ur t h in g ...

Meg a n G ood w in 14 :4 1 Lit tl- lit tle st s u b m is sio n, s o rry . Y o u c a n h a ve lit tle st s u b m is sio n a s a t re a t, s o rry .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 14 :5 0 I a lr e a d y w ro te m y jo ke in , a nd le t m e- le t m e g et t h ere !

Meg a n G ood w in 14 :5 3 So rry , s o rry .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 14 :5 4 Yo u'r e o ka y. T h ere a re lo a d s o f p la ce s w here m ult ip le g en d ers w ere in d ig en o us t o t h a t part ic u la r r e g io n o r t h a t r e lig io n, w here m od es o f m arria ge w ere n o t o ne m an, o ne wom an, w here c o lo niz e rs a nd m is sio na rie s- u su a lly t h e f ir s t f o lk s o n t h e g ro un d in s o - ca lle d b ackw ard , n ew , u n to uch ed h ea th en la nd s...

Meg a n G ood w in 15 :1 5 Or- o r v ir g in . V ir g in la nd s is m y f a vo rit e o n t h is o ne.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 15 :1 8 Vir g in la nd .

Meg a n G ood w in 15 :1 9 M M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 11 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 15 :2 0 Th ese p eo p le , t h ese c o lo niz e rs a nd m is sio na rie s, lik e , lit e ra lly o b se rv e d ( a nd p le a se d on't ask u s h o w ) t h a t t h ese s e xu a l p ra ctic e s w ere n o t, s h a ll w e s a y, 'm is sio na ry ' o nly ? A nd lik e , sin ce t h is is a n a ud io m ed iu m a nd y o u c a n't s e e m e b lu sh , c a n I ju st s a y, w hy d o w e c a ll a se xu a l p osit io n " m is sio na ry ?" W hy w ere t h ere la w s in t h e U S a nd b eyo nd r e g ula tin g t h a t th is p osit io n, a h ete ro se xis t id ea l, in w hic h a m an o n t o p o f a w om an f o r p en etra tiv e s e x is th e o nly p osit io n a llo w ed f o r m arrie d c o up le s, o f c o urs e . D o y o u h ea r h o w t h e w ord "m is sio na ry " is r ig ht t h ere ?! R ig ht f u ckin g t h ere in t h e t it le ! A nd t h is is n 't a jo ke , o r a ji b e, lik e a H allo w een s e xy n un t h in g , t h is is , a s h is to ria ns D 'E m ilio a nd F re ed m an p oin t o ut, na m ed f o r t h e m is sio na rie s w ho t rie d t o r e g ula te n a tiv e c a p it a l a nd n a tiv e a nd n o n- Chris tia n b od ie s in to "a p pro p ria te m arria ges" t h a t a ls o w it h in t h o se m arria ges e n g a ged in "a p pro p ria te s e x." S o w ha t I'm s a yin g is , e ve n h o w w e n a m e 'd oin g it ,' is m ed ia te d t h ro ug h re lig io n, im peria lis m , a nd w hit e C hris tia n n o rm s.

Meg a n G ood w in 16 :3 0 I'm h a vin g m e a lit tle g ig gle . B eca use y o u t a lk e d a b out a s e x t h in g in t h ere . It 's n o t e ve n one o 'c lo ck! I a ls o , I- I h a ve t o , lik e , p ause h ere , b eca use y e s t o e ve ry th in g t h a t y o u s a id .

But a ls o t h is id ea t h a t, lik e , m is sio na ry p osit io n is t h e c o rre ct w ay f o r p eo p le t o d o s e x w as th e t h in g t h a t t h e S up re m e C ourt w as r u lin g o n a s r e ce n tly a s t h e y e a r 2 0 00. J u st s a yin g .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 16 :5 4 Sto p ...

Meg a n G ood w in 16 :5 5 No, f o r r e a l. I- Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 16 :5 7 Sto p ....

Meg a n G ood w in 16 :5 9 M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 12 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Mhm , m hm .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 17 :0 0 Well, le t's m ove - le t's - le t's m ove f r o m m is sio na ry s e x p osit io ns t o m is sio na ry im posit io ns, sh a ll w e?

Meg a n G ood w in 17 :0 6 Sure , e xc e p t t h a t I h a ve t o s n a rk o ne m ore t im e, b eca use m is sio na rie s a ls o lit e ra lly im pose th em se lv e s s e xu a lly o n N ativ e p eo p le s, a lo t. A nd t h o se r e co rd s a re r e a lly h a rro w in g . S o , lik e , t h e r e g ula tio n o f s e xu a lit y - v e ry o ft e n n o t d eta ch ed f r o m s e xu a l v io le n ce . S o ju st- le t's pause o n t h a t a nd t h en m ove o n.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 17 :2 7 Ye a h, a b so lu te ly . S o h ere 's w here I w ant t o s ta rt - h ere 's w here I w ant t o s ta rt o ur t ra in sto p s, w e'r e lik e o ut o f t h e s ta tio n, w e'r e g oin g . O ka y, s o I w ant t o s ta rt w it h - w it h a ta ng ib le e xa m ple o f w here w e s e e w hit e C hris tia n im peria lis t id ea s a b out b od ie s- a nd sp ecif ic a lly g en d er, a nd s e x, a nd s e xu a lit y , u h , d oin g it s v io le n ce . S o le t's s ta rt , a s u su a l, when y o u'r e t a lk in g a b out- t o m e w it h S o uth A sia , a nd s p ecif ic a lly , le t's t a lk a b out S a ti (" s u h -te e" o r " s a h-te e") b eca use it 's a g ood t ra nsit io n, u m , it 's a g ood t ra nsit io n f o r u s. S o Sa ti is t h e p ra ctic e o f w id ow im mola tio n, t h e id ea h ere is t h a t a ft e r h er h usb and d ie s, a Hin d u w id ow w ould la y h ers e lf u p on h is f u n era l p yre a nd t h is h a s b een w ax a s t h e u lt im ate act o f d evo tio n w it h in r e lig io us t e rm s. N ow , it d id n't a lw ays w ork t h a t w ay, a nd le t m e t e ll yo u, t h ere is s o m uch d eb ate a b out h o w w id esp re a d t h is p ra ctic e w as. I'm o ne o f t h e his to ria ns t h a t t h in ks it w as t ru ly a m in o rit y , n o t a n o nexis te n t o ccu rre n ce , b ut a r a re occu rre n ce t h a t b eca m e h ea vily p olic e d a nd p ub lic iz e d w it h in c o lo nia l r e g im es. Y o u c a n im agin e w hy t h e id ea o f a w id ow k illin g h ers e lf o n h er h usb and 's f u n era l p yre w ould b e se n sa tio na liz e d b y r u lin g C hris tia n e lit e s.

Meg a n G ood w in 18 :5 3 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 18 :5 4 But I w ill a b so lu te ly a d m it , f r e ely a d m it , t h a t t h ere is a lo t o f e vid en ce f o r t h e p ra ctic e o f M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 13 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Sa ti, t h e t e xtu a l s u p port o f t h is p ra ctic e in t e xts . B ut it 's ju st lik e - n erd s, y o u k n o w t h a t t e xt doesn 't m ea n a ctio n. R ig ht?

Meg a n G ood w in 19 :1 1 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 19 :1 2 So a nyw ay, b annin g S a ti b eco m es im agin ed a s a t riu m ph f o r w om en 's r ig hts in B rit is h In d ia . T h ere is , u m , o rg a niz in g a ro un d it in t h e e a rly 1 8 0 0s, a nd it 's f ir s t b anned in B en g a l in 1 8 29 . A nd , lik e , lu rk in g b eh in d t h is w in is s o m e d evio us im peria lis t c ra p t h a t s h o w s h o w co m plic a te d t h e in te rs e ctio ns- I'm g onna s a y- o f r a ce a nd g en d er a nd p ow er a re . S o , a t th e s a m e t im e t h a t t h e s u ffr a ge m ove m en t is h a p pen in g a nd is y ie ld in g r e a lly v io le n t op posit io n in B rit a in . B rit s a re a ll u p in S o uth A sia , " lib era tin g w om en " f r o m t h eir "o p pre ssiv e m en ," s p ecif ic a lly w it h t h e e xp ansio n o f t h ese r e g io na l la w s, f ir s t in B en g a l, and t h en la te r t h ro ug ho ut S o uth A sia , a b out S a ti. S o I n eed y o u t o h ea r m e s a y t h a t e ve n if S a ti w as a n a ctu a l w id esp re a d p ra ctic e , a nd a ga in , I d o n o t t h in k it w as. T h e B rit is h ob se ssio n w it h it is t ie d u p in g en d er, 'g ood ' r e lig io n a nd 'g ood ' r a ce . T h e B rit s f r a m ed S a ti as n eed in g t o b e a tte n d ed t o b eca use t h o se d um b H in d us w ould s u re ly f o llo w t h eir t e xts wit h o ut t h in kin g , t h ey C AN 'T t h in k, y o u s e e. T h e t e xt s a id t o d o it . T h ey h a ve n o a gen cy but w hic h t o f o llo w .

Meg a n G ood w in 20 :1 9 Hm m.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 20 :2 0 Th ey s e t u p in ve stig a to rs a nd b ro ug ht r e lig io us le a d ers t o t e stif y . W here t h e p rim ary c ro ss exa m in a tio ns w ere ju st a b out t e xt- n o t p ra ctic e , n o t c u sto m . J u st t e xt.

Meg a n G ood w in 20 :3 2 So lik e n o t- s o lik e n o t, " H ey, H in d us, h o w m any o f y 'a ll d o t h is ? " J u st lik e , " T h e b ook s a ys th is ." c o rre ct?

M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 14 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 20 :3 9 Ye a h. Y e a h.

Meg a n G ood w in 20 :4 1 Te rrib le , t e rrib le .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 20 :4 2 Ye a h, y e a h. A nd a ls o , t h e B rit s h ere a re n 't lik e , " O h m y g od , y o u g uys w om en a re e q ua l.

Why is y o ur r e lig io n t h is , w hy a re y o u d oin g t h is ? " T h e B rit s b asic a lly s a y " P atria rc h - patria rc h y is c o ol m y H in d u d ud es, b ut la d ie s c h o osin g d ea th is t ru ly u n se em ly . Y o u a re no t d oin g - y o u a re n o t d oin g t h is c o rre ctly , y o u a re d oin g g en d er a nd r e lig io n w ro ng . W if e bea tin g is f in e, ju st n o t t o o m uch , a nd n o t t o o o b vio usly , a nd n o t h o w t h o se H in d us d o it " lik e , I n eed y o u t o h ea r m e s a y o ut lo ud t h a t a b use s o f w om en w as n o t t h e p ro b le m . T h e UK d id n o t m ake m arit a l r a p e ille g a l u n til 1 9 92, a nd c o m mon a ssa ult h a d s o m e in sa ne ru le s a ro un d b ein g a b le t o p ro se cu te it u n til 2 0 04. S a vin g w om en is n o b le , s o le t's r e sc u e th o se p oor w om en f r o m b ein g b urn ed a liv e w hile n eve r o nce a sk in g if o ur o w n s h it s tin ks.

Meg a n G ood w in 21:4 4 Cool. N ot c o ol, b ad , d is g ustin g . S o t h is c a se a ls o s h o w s t h a t t h e B rit s a re n o t t h in kin g o f Hin d u w om en a s h a vin g a ny a gen cy a t a ll. U h, a nd o b vio usly , I'm n o t s u g gestin g t h a t re lig io usly s a nctio ned s u ic id e is a g ood o p tio n o r s h o uld e ve n b e a n o p tio n a ft e r a part n er's d ea th . T h a t is n o t m y t h in g a t a ll. B ut I a ls o d on't w ant t o t e ll w om en w ha t t h ey sh o uld o r s h o uld n o t b e d oin g b eca use I'm a w hit e C hris tia n p ers o n s h o w in g u p in t h eir co un try . L ik e , B rit is h r u le m ake s it c le a r t h a t t h ey d on't w ant t o s o lv e t h e p ro b le m s t h a t wid ow s m ig ht a ctu a lly f a ce , lik e p ove rt y o r lo sin g p osit io n in t h e c o m mun it y . T h e w hy s e lf im mola tio n w ould b e a t h in ka b le o p tio n f o r r e a l lif e p eo p le , r ig ht. S o a ssu m in g t h a t t h e Brit s c o uld f ix t h e p ro b le m s t h a t w id ow s f a ce , t h ey'r e n o t t ry in g t o f ix t h o se p ro b le m s.

Th ey'r e n o t a llo w in g w om en e q ua l a cce ss o r p ro te ctio n t o r e so urc e s. L et's n o t w ork o n so cie ta l r e stric tio ns t h a t w ould m ake it , lik e , a ttra ctiv e f o r w om en t o s ta y a liv e o nce t h eir husb and h a s d ie d - c o uld t h ere b e a no th er o p tio n t o y o ur h usb and d yin g a sid e f r o m su ic id e o r lo sin g h o no r a nd c o m mun it y s ta tu s?

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 23 :0 0 Ye a h, s o I- I t h in k t h a t I w ant t o c o m e b ack t o t h e s ig nif ic a nce h ere a nd s a y t h a t " g ood " M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 15 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i gen d er h ere is m alle a b le . B rit is h w om en n eed t o b e c o ntro lle d t o n o t v o te a t t h e s a m e tim e t h a t H in d u w om en in B rit is h In d ia n eed t o b e e it h er lib era te d f r o m t h eir m en , t h ey'r e to o c o ntro lle d , w ere c o ntro lle d a ga in st t h eir o w n, p oor, in co m ple te ju d gm en t b ase d o n th eir o w n, p oor, in fe rio r r e lig io n.

Meg a n G ood w in 23 :2 8 Oy. A lr ig ht, s in ce - s in ce t h e s to p o n t h e t ra in t o ur is s till in S o uth A sia , c a n w e t a lk a b out hijr a c o m mun it ie s f o r a m in ute ? B eca use I k n o w a lit tle b it a b out t h is , m ostly b eca use y o u assig ned m e r e a d in g , s o I k n o w a t h in g .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 23 :4 0 Well c a n y o u- y e a h! G o f o r it ! H elp m e o ut!

Meg a n G ood w in 23 :4 2 Oka y, h ere 's w ha t I k n o w . S o if w e'r e s tic kin g in S o uth A sia f o r a s e co nd , a c a se s tu d y t h a t fo lk s t a lk a b out a nd r e a lly f ix a te o n is t h e h ijr a c o m mun it y . S o S o uth A sia a nd e sp ecia lly In d ia 's f a m ous t h ir d g en d er c o m mun it y - it 's r e co g niz e d o n d riv e r's lic e n se s, it d oes n o t nea tly lin e u p w it h t h e f r a m e o r t h e h is to ry o f t ra nsg en d er f o lk s, w hic h is a no th er s id e o f Orie n ta lis m . Y o u'v e g ot c is w hit e s c h o la rs a nd E uro -A m eric a n w hit e t ra ns f o lk s a lik e , a ls o lik e t o c it e h ijr a a s a w ay t o p ro ve t h in g s a b out g en d er, a nd o ft e n w it h t h in g s t h a t s e em in no cu o us lik e , lo ok, t h ere 's m ore t h a n t w o g en d ers lo ok a t t h e lo ng h is to ry o f t h is ! B ut lik e , mayb e le t's u n d ers ta nd t h e c o m mun it y o n it s o w n a nd in it s o w n h ie ra rc h ic a l s p ace s, befo re w ho le sa le , ju st, lik e , lif t in g it o r c e le b ra tin g it . S o w hen w e t a lk a b out t h is in m y cla sse s, b eca use s o rry , I a m o nce a ga in g oin g t o m ake t h is a b out A m eric a nis ts . W e lo ok at W HY q ueer t h eo ry ( w hic h M ic h a el W arn er I t h in k q uip ped t h a t q ueer t h eo ry s p ea ks w it h an A m eric a n a cce n t). S o lik e w hy q ueer t h eo ry ? W hy q ueer t h eo ris ts a re s o t h ir s ty t o f in d exa m ple s o f n o n- n o nb in a ry f o lk s in n o t w ha t's n o w t h e U nit e d S ta te s, a nd h o w b ad a jo b th ey h a ve h is to ric a lly d one a t lis te n in g t o t h e c o m mun it ie s t h ey'r e s u p pose d t o b e in co nve rs a tio n w it h . S o I t h in k Ily se is g oin g t o g iv e y o u t h is b ook in t h e h o m ew ork , b ut Gaya tri R ed dy h a s a n a w eso m e b ook o n t h e h ijr a c o m mun it y a nd s h e s h o w s p re tty co nvin cin g ly , lik e , g en d er d if fe re n ce is n o t w hy t h ese p eo p le g et u p in t h e m orn in g . It 's n o t an o rg a niz in g p rin cip le o f h ijr a c o m mun it y o r h ijr a f o lk s' liv e s, t h a t r e sp ect is a ctu a lly A if no t T H E c e n tra l c o nce rn in a w ay t h a t lik e n o nb in a ry id en tit y is n o t.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 25 :1 7 M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 16 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ye a h. A nd s o w ha t I lik e a b out b oth o f t h ese e xa m ple s t o g eth er, if I m ay, Meg a n G ood w in 25 :2 3 Ple a se !

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 25 :2 3 is t h a t w e s e e g en d er n o rm s, a nd lo ca l g en d er n o rm s, b ein g m ed ia te d t h ro ug h n o n-lo ca l, no n-S o uth A sia n, n o n-C hris tia n id ea s a b out w ha t s h o uld o r s h o uld n o t b e n o rm al.

Meg a n G ood w in 25 :4 1 Ye a h, y e a h. G en d er is , in la rg e p art , s h a p ed b y w here y o u'r e d oin g it a nd w hen y o u'r e doin g it . It 's n o t t h e s a m e t h in g t h ro ug ho ut t im e a nd s p ace .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 25 :5 0 Ye a h. S o , o ka y, a re y o u r e a d y t o m ove o ur t ra in ?

Meg a n G ood w in 25 :5 6 Ye a h, c h o o, c h o o.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 26 :0 5 Oka y, w ell, I'm g onna k in d o f m ove it t o lik e t h e a tm osp here , b eca use w e'r e g oin g t o t a lk bro a d ly a b out a p op ula r o ne, w hen w e t a lk a b out g en d er a nd r e lig io n, a nd t h a t is h ija b .

And I f r a nkly lo a th e t a lk in g a b out h ija b . B eca use I f in d it - I f in d it b orin g . In w hit e W este rn sp ace s, a nd w hit e n o n-M uslim s p ace s, it 's a lw ays a b out o p pre ssio n. W hen w e- w hen f o r most w om en , lik e , it 's a c lo th in g c h o ic e . I'm - I'm n o t t h a t in te re ste d b eyo nd lik e , " O oh, th a t's m y s ty le t h a t's a g org eo us s c a rf!" O r lik e " M eh . T h a t's n o t m y, lik e , t h a t's n o t m y sty le w hen it c o m es t o c lo th in g " lik e t h a t's f o r c lo th in g b ro a d ly , n o t ju st h ija b . S o lik e , y e a h, lik e u n le ss y o u'r e a w hit e m an c o lle a gue t e a ch in g in T -s h ir t s a nd b aggy p ants a nd lik e no t- c u te t ra in ers , b ut lik e f a rs h tu n ke n s n ea ke rs , t h en I- t h en I d on't c a re a b out w ha t yo u'r e w ea rin g , if y o u'r e w ea rin g t h a t I c a re b eca use t h e p atria rc h y a nd w ork .

Meg a n G ood w in 26 :5 7 M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 17 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Meg a n G ood w in 26 :5 7 Fa ir .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 26 :5 8 But, u h , f r ie n d a nd m en to r a nd b oss-b it c h t o t h e p od , L iz B uca r, h a s a lr e a d y d eft ly s h o w n th a t h ija b p ra ctic e s v a ry f r o m p la ce t o p la ce in h er b ook P io us F a sh io n, a nd t h a t t h ey'r e usu a lly r o ote d in c o nve rs a tio ns a b out f a sh io n, w hic h , D UH , is a ls o t ie d t o a ge, e ra , lo ca tio n, e tc . A nd t h a t c o ve rin g , o r n o t, t a ke s o n d if fe re n t n ua nce d v a la nce s a ro un d t h e world . S o w ha t I f in d in stru ctiv e a b out g en d er a nd c lo th in g p ra ctic e s, is t h a t w e u su a lly se e t h e p olic in g o f w om en 's b od ie s, e it h er e xc lu siv e ly o r o ve r a nd a b ove m en .

Meg a n G ood w in 27:3 3 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 27:3 3 So , r e la te d , w e a ls o s e e t h e p olic in g o f g en d er s p ecif ic c lo th in g .

Meg a n G ood w in 27:3 7 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 27:3 7 So n o t ju st w e w ant t o - w e w ant w om en t o w ea r s p ecif ic k in d s o f c lo th in g lik e h ija b , o r w e ca re a lo t t h a t w om en a re m akin g t h a t c h o ic e . W e a ls o s e e t h e p olic in g o f g en d er s p ecif ic clo th in g . A re y o ur c lo th es f e m in in e e n o ug h? A re y o ur c lo th es m asc u lin e e n o ug h?

Meg a n G ood w in 27:5 6 Ye a h. O ka y, s o a c o up le t h in g s, A ) L iz is t h e lit e ra l b est, a nd s h e's a ls o t h e P I o f t h e g ra nt th a t m ake s S a cre d W rit e s, t h e p ro g ra m t h a t I d ir e ct t h a t p ro m ote s p ub lic s c h o la rs h ip , s h e make s S a cre d W rit e s p ossib le , S o h i, L iz !

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 28 :0 8 M M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 18 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Hi!

Meg a n G ood w in 28 :0 9 Hi. A nd a ls o , u g h t h is s h it a ga in , lik e , c o ve rin g , p io us f a sh io n, h ija b , G eo rg e W . B ush c a lle d th ese f o lk s " w om en o f c o ve r" lit e ra lly 2 0 y e a rs a go, a nd I'm s till n o t o ve r it . H ija b p la ys in to a ll s o rt s o f s tu ff, lik e n a tio na l id en tit ie s. S o , Ily se a lr e a d y m en tio ned h o w f a ce co ve rin g s f o r M uslim w om en a re b anned in F ra nce . U h, a nd t h ere a re a lo t o f p la ce s t h a t are t ry in g t o g et t h em b anned o r f u lly b anned f o r p ub lic w ork e rs in M ontre a l, b eca use se cu la ris m , a nd a ls o t im e o f C O VID . T h ere a re p la ce s lik e F ra nce w here y o u c a nno t c o ve r beca use y o u'r e M uslim , b ut y o u a ls o h a ve t o c o ve r y o ur f a ce b eca use C O VID , s o ...r a cis m .

But f o r Ir a nia n w om en , u h , b old c o ve rin g s, p un k c o ve rin g s, lo ose c o ve rin g s, c o ve rin g s o ff in p ub lic - a ll o f t h is is r e sis ta nce w ork . S o r e sis tin g g en d er n o rm s c a n lo ok lik e p uttin g o n hija b , o r t a kin g it o ff. S o cia l c o nstru cts , a nd c o nte xts y 'a ll. S o I k n o w t h is is y o ur- y o ur sh o ck a nd a w e, la d y, b ut c a n I c a n I t h ro w , lik e , a c o up le in ?

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 29 :1 0 Ye a h, w here 's t h e t ra in g oin g t o t a ke u s n ext?

Meg a n G ood w in 29 :1 2 We'r e g onna s ta y in Ir a n f o r a h o t s e c, b eca use I'm g iv e n t o u n d ers ta nd t h a t it 's b ea utif u l, but it a ls o h a s a r e a lly in te re stin g h is to ry , s p ecif ic a lly a ro un d c o ve rin g . S o a ga in , p ic tu re it :

Ir a n u n d er t h e s h a h ( s o e a rly -m id 2 0 th c e n tu ry ), t h e s h a h is d ete rm in ed t o " m od ern iz e " Ir a n. S o h e's g ot t h e p olic e c h a sin g d ow n g ra nnie s in t h e s tre et a nd y a nkin g o ff t h eir h ea d sc a rv e s, u n co ve rin g is n o t t h e s a m e t h in g a s lib era tio n, y 'a ll, e sp ecia lly if y o u d on't h a ve a ch o ic e a b out w heth er y o u'r e u n co ve rin g . A nd w hit e A m eric a n f e m in is ts o r w hit e E uro p ea n fe m in is ts s h o w in g u p in Ir a n o r o th er p la ce s w here M uslim w om en a re a nd d em and in g th a t t h ey u n co ve r is a ls o n o t s o lid arit y . It is h o w eve r t a cky a s f u ck. S o A H EM F em en a nd yo ur f u ckin g t o p le ss ji h a d , K ate M ille t in Ir a n in t h e 1 9 70 s, e tc , e tc .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 30 :0 0 Ye a h.

Meg a n G ood w in 30 :0 2 On s to p .

M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 19 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 30 :0 3 Ugh.

Meg a n G ood w in 30 :0 3 Ye a h, it 's g ro ss. It 's s u p er g ro ss. L ik e , c a n y o u n o t? T h a nks. A nd t h en w e'r e g oin g t o h ea d no rt h , u h , a nd s p en d a lit tle t im e in R ussia , b eca use P ussy R io t s ta ged o ne o f m y a ll t im e fa vo rit e r e lig io us / f e m in is t d ir e ct a ctio ns in 2 0 12 in a R ussia n O rt h o d ox C hurc h . S o re lig io us p art ic ip atio n in R ussia h a s s p ik e d in t h e la st d eca d e + , a nd p art o f t h a t is beca use a lo t o f p eo p le lik e a nd r e a lly v a lu e b ein g p art o f r e lig io us c o m mun it ie s. B ut a big ger p art o f it is b eca use t h e R ussia n O rt h o d ox C hurc h is m ajo rly in b ed w it h P utin . S o Pussy R io ts , P utin , b y t h e w ay, h a s b een a d is a ste r f o r L G BTQ R ussia ns f o r w om en Russia ns, f o r R ussia , f u ll s to p . A nyw ay. S o P ussy R io ts s to rm s, t h e c a th ed ra l s e ts u p sp ea ke rs a nd s ta rt s , lik e , r o ckin g o ut a nd lo ud ly c a llin g o n t h e V ir g in M ary t o b eco m e a fe m in is t. L ik e , t h a t is o ne o f t h e ly ric s is " V ir g in M ary , p le a se b eco m e a f e m in is t." I lo ve t h is .

Oh, t h e la ye rs . B ut, u h , I w ant t o f o cu s r ig ht n o w o n t h e f a ct t h a t t h ey d id n't s h o w u p a nd te ll e ve ry b od y t h a t t h ey'r e s tu p id f o r b ein g in c h urc h o r f o r b elie vin g in G od . W ha t t h ey did w as r e cla im t h e c h urc h a s a s p ace w here w om en c o uld b e v a lu ed a s e q ua ls . A nd t h a t is p un k r o ck a s h ell.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 31:1 2 Ye a h, it is . It is . A lr ig ht. W ell, I- I d on't w ant t o s ta y in P utin 's R ussia . S o le t's h it t h e t ra ck aga in ...

Meg a n G ood w in 31:1 9 No, g et u s o ut!

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 31:2 0 And le t's b oun ce t o Is ra el f o r a s e co nd . I w ant t o t a lk a b out t w o t h in g s h a p pen in g in t h e co nte m pora ry n a tio n s ta te o f Is ra el p in kw ash in g a nd W om en o f t h e W all. H ere 's w hy. B oth sh o w h o w r e lig io n a nd g en d er a re ju st r ig ht t h ere h a ng in g o ut, a ll m oosh ed u p .

Meg a n G ood w in 31:4 4 Ye p .

M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 20 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 31:4 5 So le t's s ta rt w it h p in kw ash in g w hic h in t h e c a se o f Is ra el- P ale stin e, u su a lly r e fe rs t o t h e ways in w hic h Is ra el is p ort ra ye d o r p ort ra ys it s e lf a s p ro g re ssiv e , lib era l, d are I e ve n s a y Weste rn , b eca use o f it s r e co rd o f L G BT r ig hts . T h is p ort ra ya l is in c o ntra st t o a nd ( s o m e would a rg ue) a s a c o ve r u p o f t h e w ays in w hic h P ale stin ia ns, A ra b s a nd n o n-w hit e , n o n- Je w is h f o lk s a re a ctu a lly t re a te d . Y e a h, s o p in kw ash in g s e rv e s a s a w ay t o c o ve r u p o ne's ra cis m . T h a t's b eca use , w ell, g ood lib era ls w ho lo ve q ueers a re g ood a nd lib era l, r ig ht?

Meg a n G ood w in 32:2 0 Once a ga in , t h a nk y o u, I h a te it . Y e a h, u m , o h, s o m uch t o b e s a id h ere . S o w hen w e'r e th in kin g a b out p in kw ash in g , w e'r e lo okin g a t t h e w ays t h a t c o un trie s w ill c la im " W e a re - we'r e g ood t o q ueers , s o w e'r e c iv iliz e d ." A nd t h is o ft e n h a p pen s in , lik e , d ir e ctly in c o ntra st to , " W e'r e c iv iliz e d , a nd y o u c a n t e ll b eca use w e lo ve t h e q ueers . A nd y o u k n o w t h o se Muslim m ajo rit y c o un trie s a re n o t g ood , o r lib era l, o r s a fe , b eca use t h ey h a te t h e q ueers ." And t h is ig no re s t h e f a ct t h a t lik e , it is c o m plic a te d t o b e q ueer in Is ra el. F ull s to p . It ig no re s t h e f a ct t h a t A m eric a a ls o u se s Is ra el's s u p pose d ly p ro -q ueer p osit io n t o ju stif y massiv e f o re ig n a id t o t h e S ta te o f Is ra el, w hic h is v io le n t t o w ard a n um ber o f p eo p le u p t o and in clu d in g , s a y, q ueer P ale stin ia ns.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 33:1 8 Ye a h.

Meg a n G ood w in 33:2 0 I'm a ls o g onna in clu d e a - a r e so urc e f o r f o lk s in h o m ew ork , a b out a t ra ns-p ers o n w ork in g th ro ug h b oth b ein g in s o lid arit y w it h t h e P ale stin ia n p eo p le , b ut a ls o b ein g t ra ns a nd need in g h o rm ones t o c o nfir m t h eir g en d er. A nd k n o w in g t h a t t h o se h o rm ones a re o nly ava ila b le t h ro ug h Is ra eli p ha rm ace u tic a l c o m panie s, s o it 's ju st it 's c o m plic a te d .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 33:4 6 Ye a h, o ka y, s o - s o t h a t w as p in kw ash in g , w here g en d er a nd s e x a nd s e xu a lit y is u se d a s a way t o d em onstra te t h a t o ne r e lig io n, a nd o ne S ta te d o b ette r.

Meg a n G ood w in 34 :0 4 M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 21 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 34 :0 5 And A RE b ette r, f u n ctio na lly , r e lig io -ra cia lly , t h a n o th ers . T h e o th er t h in g I w ant t o t a lk ab out w as t h e W om en o f t h e W all. S o , I d on't k n o w h o w m uch y o u k n o w a b out t h is , Meg a n. B ut J e w is h w om en h a ve o rg a niz e d t h is o ng oin g c a m paig n t h a t d ate s I t h in k, t o th e la te 1 9 80 s t o b e a llo w ed t o p ra y o ut lo ud , w ea r p ra ye r s h a w ls , a nd r e a d f r o m t h e To ra h a t t h e W este rn W all in J e ru sa le m , w hic h is a rg ua b ly J u d ais m 's h o lie st s it e . C urre n tly , and h is to ric a lly , d esp it e Is ra el's a fo re m en tio ned p ro g re ssiv is m , r ig ht, t h is is n 't a llo w ed . S o le t m e s a y t h is o ut lo ud w hile w e a sso cia te J u d ais m in t h is c o un try , f o r b ette r o r w ors e , wit h c o a sta l lib era lis m a nd le ft y p olit ic s a nd w hile Is ra el it s e lf is im agin ed a nd le g a lly re co g niz e d a s b ein g o p en a nd lib era l a nd s o -c a lle d " W este rn ," J e w is h w om en a re n 't allo w ed t o r e a d f r o m t h eir h o ly t e xts a t t h e h o lie st s it e b eca use u lt ra -O rt h o d ox J e w is h men h a ve m ad e it ille g a l t o d o s o .

Meg a n G ood w in 35 :0 8 Th a t s o un d s lik e a s o -c a lle d " lib era l p ro g re ssiv e W este rn S ta te " is v a lu in g m en a nd masc u lin it y o ve r w om en a nd o th er g en d ers .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 35 :2 0 Uh h uh .

Meg a n G ood w in 35 :2 2 Hm mm...s m ells lik e p atria rc h y.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 35 :2 5 Reeks o f it .

Meg a n G ood w in 35 :2 6 Mm m.

M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 22 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 35 :2 7 So g en d er h ere is c o nfla te d a nd c o nstra in ed b y " s o m e" p eo p le 's in te rp re ta tio n o f t h e sa m e t e xts , a s w ell a s n a tio na l p olit ic s. B eca use t h is is ille g a l, n o t ju st " G od 'l l g etc h a " n o t allo w ed . T h is is , lik e - t h is is n 't , lik e , J u d gm en t D ay, d on't d o t h a t. L ik e , if y o u e a t t h e b aco n, yo u w ill g o t o h ell, t h is is lik e , y o u w ill g o t o ja il, y o u w ill h a ve a f in e, t h ere w ill b e p olic e in vo lv e d , ille g a l.

Meg a n G ood w in 35 :5 4 Mm m.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 35 :5 5 So t o m e, t h e r e a so n t h a t I- t h a t I w ante d t o s to p in Is ra el- P ale stin e a nd t a lk a b out b oth pin kw ash in g a nd t h e J e w is h f e m in is t m ove m en t, t o h a ve a cce ss t o p ra ye r s p ace s is beca use I s e e t h em a s r e la te d . In b oth in sta nce s, r e lig io n, g en d er a nd t h e S ta te a re ove rla p pin g s o urc e s o f h o w w e m ake s e n se o f, w ell, r e lig io n, g en d er a nd t h e S ta te . W ha t does it m ea n t o t a lk a b out Is ra el a s a , " g ood p la ce " f o r w om en , o r f o r q ueers ? E sp ecia lly and e xp lic it ly o ve r a nd a b ove it s M uslim -m ajo rit y n eig hb ors , w hen w om en w ho w ant t o ob se rv e r e lig io us la w c a n't ? B eca use m en 's in te rp re ta tio n o f r e lig io us p ra ctic e is le g a lly more im port a nt.

Meg a n G ood w in 36 :4 0 Ye a h, I m ea n, y e a h. A nd t h ere - t h ere a re a t o n o f e xa m ple s t h a t w e c o uld k e ep p ullin g o n aga in , t h is c o uld b e a n e n tir e n ew p od ca st o f r e lig io n a nd g en d er. O y, w ha t a m ess. L ik e , so R om an C ath o lic is m a nd t h e E a ste rn O rt h o d ox C hurc h b oth w on't a llo w w om en in to th e p rie sth o od , d esp it e , I d on't k n o w , G ala tia ns 3 28 s a yin g " In C hris t, t h ere is n o m ale o r fe m ale ." Y e a h, I q uo te d t h e B ib le a nd I w en t t o C ath o lic s c h o ol, s u ck it . Id ea s o f masc u lin it y lit e ra lly m ake y o ur lo ca l Y M CA p ossib le , b eca use b ein g f it in b od y m ea ns yo u'r e f it in s p ir it , a nd o th er m usc u la r id ea s a b out t e xts a nd p ra ctic e s f r o m t h e e a rly 2 0 th ce n tu ry is r e la te d t o t h e s a m e p eo p le t h a t g a ve u s g ra ha m c ra cke rs s o y o u w ould n't in te rfe re w it h y o urs e lf , t ru e s to ry .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 37:2 4 Als o c o rn fla ke s.

M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 23 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Meg a n G ood w in 37:2 5 Corn fla ke s a nd g ra ha m c ra cke rs , s o y o u c a n s e ttle d ow n in y o ur p ants .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 37:3 2 I t h in k w e s h o uld m ake a n ew c o m merc ia l f o r t h is .

Meg a n G ood w in 37:3 4 I w as g onna s a y I s h o uld b e in m ark e tin g , r e a lly .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 37:3 6 To p n o tc h , s e ttle d ow n in y o ur p ants , g et t h e c o rn fla ke s.

Meg a n G ood w in 37:3 9 Get y o ur c o rn fla ke s, B ud dhis t t e xts r e p ea te d ly t a lk a b out h o w a ny p ers o n c a n a tta in en lig hte n m en t, b ut a ls o m ost B ud dhis t o rd ers s e p ara te m en a nd w om en b ase d o n g en d er.

And , w hen p ush c o m es t o s h o ve , w om en a re in le sse r p osit io ns t h a n m en . A ctu a lly , I h a ve a p rim ary s o urc e t h a t w e d o in m y g lo b al r e lig io ns c la ss w here it t a lk s a b out t h e f o un d in g of t h e O rd er o f B ud dhis t N un s a nd A ) t h e B ud dha t u rn s it d ow n lik e f o ur t im es ( it 's pro b ab ly t h re e t im es it 's a lm ost a lw ays t h re e t im es) a nd t h en t h e f o urt h t im e is lik e a lr ig ht, I g uess y o u c a n b e n un s, b ut a ls o a p rie st o n h is f ir s t d ay is m ore im port a nt t h a n s o m e- th a n a w om an w ho 's b een a n un f o r h er e n tir e lif e . L ik e s o g ro ss.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 37:5 0 Ye a h t h e p atria rc h y, it 's g ro ss.

Meg a n G ood w in 38 :2 1 Gro ss. B ut I m ea n t h is is t h e t h in g , is w e w e d o t h is in c la ss t o o, t h e B ud dha d id n o t in ve n t se xis m . R elig io n a nd g en d er a re c o -c o nstit u tiv e , B ud dhis m a ro se o ut o f a p atria rc h a l cu lt u re a nd u se s r e lig io n t o r e in fo rc e p atria rc h y.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 38 :3 6 M M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 24 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ye a h, a nd t h a t's f r a nkly a s g ood a p la ce a s I n eed t o w ra p it u p b eca use t h e p oin t in u s boun cin g a ll o ve r in t im e, p la ce , a nd s p ace o n t h is t ra in r id e t h ro ug ho ut t h e w orld - w hen we t a lk e d a b out s a ti, h ijr a , p in kw ash in g , P ussy R io t, h ija b , W om en o f t h e W all- a ll o f t h is was t o d em onstra te h o w g en d er is m ed ia te d p erfo rm ed a nd d em onstra te d w it h in t h e boun d s o f r e lig io n, b ut a ls o h o w r e lig io n is m ed ia te d , p erfo rm ed , a nd d em onstra te d w it h re sp ect t o g en d er, ju st lik e y o u s a id , t h ese a re c o -c o nstit u tiv e Ye p , y e p .

Ye a h. S ta tio n, sta tio n n um ber n in e, it 's : P R IM ARY S O URC ES.

Meg a n G ood w in 39 :1 9 [s in g in g ] P rim ary s o urc e s!

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 39 :2 1 So a s h um ans w it h b od y, w e t o o e xp erie n ce s e x, g en d er, a nd r e lig io n. I t h in k t o d ay I a m goin g t o t a lk a b out h o w I e xp erie n ce s e x, g en d er a nd r e lig io n. U m , lik e w it h in t im e a nd pla ce . S o I g uess w ha t I'm s a yin g is t h a t g en d er a nd r e lig io us b elo ng in g s d on't ju st s h if t base d o n c o un try o r r e lig io n o r r e g io n, b ut a ls o w it h in r e lig io ns b ase d o n y o ur o w n a ge.

So , t h e w ay t h a t I e xp erie n ce d m y b od y a s b ein g w elc o m ed o r n o t w elc o m ed h a s c h a ng ed as lik e I h a ve a ged in to lif e cy cle e ve n ts . S o f o r f o r e xa m ple , lik e , u h , le ss-s o b eco m in g a bat m it z v a h w hen I w as 1 3 , t h o ug h, in m y f a m ily t h a t m ea nt y o u c o uld d rin k w hic h w as lik e , s u p er g ood . U m , t h a t's r ig ht f r ie n d s, 1 3 .

Meg a n G ood w in 40 :1 2 Nic e , n ic e .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 40 :1 4 Anyw ay, t h a t's - d on't - d on't a rre st m y m om . S h e's d oin g f in e. A nd r e a lly , t h a t w as m y d ad .

So a nyw ay, lik e b ein g 1 3 a nd b ein g a llo w ed t o s it a t t h e g ro w n u p t a b le a nd h a ve - a nd ha ve g in . B ut- b ut m ore r e a so na b ly , a nd lik e w ha t t h a t m ea nt, lik e , c o uld I g o a nd s it s h iv a fo r s o m eo ne? C ould I- lik e , w as I t ru ste d w it h m ore d utie s a nd o b lig a tio ns r e lig io usly ? A nd wha t d id t h a t m ea n w it h in t h e s p ecif ic f r a m ew ork o f- o f b ein g a la d y?

Meg a n G ood w in 40 :4 1 Can y o u b e s tro ng a rm ed in to b ein g p art o f t h e m in io n?

M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 25 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 40 :4 4 Ye a h, e xa ctly . A nd t h e a nsw er w as a lw ays Y e s, I lik e d b ein g r e sp onsib le .

Meg a n G ood w in 40 :4 8 Of c o urs e y o u d id , n erd .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 40 :5 0 And t h en b ein g m arrie d , w ha t d oes b ein g a m arrie d w om an d o in r e lig io us c o m mun it y ?

Wha t a cce ss t o t h in g s d o y o u h a ve? w ho t a lk s t o y o u? A nd t h a t- t h a t m ea ns- lik e , I m ea n, th a t b oth in lik e a n a nth ro p olo g ic a l e th no g ra p hic s o urc e , lik e , d o y o u b eco m e p art o f t h e clu b t h a t s it s a ro un d a nd I d on't k n o w , lik e k ib it z e s a b out m en , o r lik e , b eca use y o ur th o ug ht t o h a ve e xp erie n ce n o w ( a nd I w ant y o u t o h ea r t h a t in s e xu a liz e d t e rm s a s w ell) .

And t h en t h e m ost- t h e m ost o b vio us o ne f o r m e h a s b een b eco m in g a m om , w here lik e , yo u'r e p art o f t h is c lu b r e lig io usly , w here y o u h a ve a ctu a l o b lig a tio ns, lik e - lik e r e lig io usly , I'm s u p pose d t o s a y p ra ye rs o ve r m y k id s' h ea d s, a nd I h a ve t o r u n a h o use h o ld . A nd s o th ey'r e r e a lly g en d ere d w ays t h a t m y r e lig io us t ra d it io n e xp ects m e t o b eh a ve b ase d o n no t w ha t I a m o r w ho I a m , b ut w ha t I h a ve b eco m e. S o lik e , t h e d ay b efo re , I w as a m om , I d id n't h a ve s o m e o f t h o se o b lig a tio ns. T h e d ay a ft e r I b eca m e a m om , I d id . A nd t h en I re a lly b rie fly w ant t o ju st s a y, I g uess, t h a t lik e , m y e xp erie n ce , a s s o m eo ne w ho t ra ve ls in te rn a tio na lly t o d o r e se a rc h h a s s h if t e d r a d ic a lly t o o. T h a t t h e d if fe re n ce b etw een m e tra ve lin g a s a s in g le w om an in S o uth A sia , a nd t h en a m arrie d w om an in S o uth A sia , a nd th en a m oth er in S o uth A sia , h a s c h a ng ed h o w w om en a nd m en in te ra ct w it h m e in o ur co nve rs a tio ns. N ow , I'm n o t a n e th no g ra p her, I d on't d o in te rv ie w s w it h p eo p le . I d on't , lik e , I d on't d o a ny o f t h a t s tu ff. I'm a n- I'm a n a rc h iv is t p rim arily , b ut t h e w ay t h a t p eo p le who h a ve k n o w n m e f o r m any y e a rs h a s s h if t e d , t h e c o nve rs a tio ns I'm a llo w ed t o b e p art of t h e- t h e w ays in w hic h I a m t ru ste d a nd s e en a nd v a lu ed , h a s c h a ng ed . A nd s o I t h in k um , y e a h I g uess t h e p oin t o f m y p rim ary s o urc e is t h a t g en d er, it 's n o t ju st r e lig io n, it 's n o t ju st r e g io n, it 's n o t ju st p la ce , it 's a ll o f t h o se t h in g s, b ut it 's a ls o w here a re y o u in y o ur lif e cy cle t h a t- Meg a n G ood w in 42:4 9 Huh ! In te re stin g . O ka y, w ell, I'm g onna p la y o ff t h a t t h en . I'm t h in kin g s p ecif ic a lly - o ka y, so la st t im e I t a lk e d a b out m y lik e - w hy I'm n o t k id din g w hen I s a y I'm a w it c h . U h, o ne o f th e f r a m ew ork s t h a t I t h in k p art ic u la rly f o lk s w ho a re ( I'm n o t g oin g t o g et in to d is tin ctio ns betw een d if fe re n t k in d s o f w it c h es, y 'a ll) , b ut lik e , f o lk s t h a t t h a t a re W ic ca n t e n d t o p ull on t h is lik e t rip le g od dess m otif a lo t, w hic h is a ctu a lly s o m eth in g t h a t t h ey s to le f r o m M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 26 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i med ie va l C hris tia nit y , a nd t h en g en era lly d on't k n o w t h a t b eca use n o b od y r e a d s e n o ug h his to ry . U m , b ut r ig ht, s o y o u g et t h ese c o nve rs a tio ns a b out lik e lif e c y cle s a nd p aga nis m where if y o u'r e a la d y, w hic h is d iv in e a nd a w eso m e, a nd a ll t h a t s tu ff t h a t I t a lk e d a b out la st t im e, y o u- y o u m ove t h ro ug h s ta ges o f lik e , m aid en , m oth er, a nd c ro ne. A nd lik e I'm a ll here f o r c ro ne-in o us. B ut lik e m aid en s o un d s v ir g in -y in a w ay t h a t m ake s m e y a k b eca use vir g in it y is m ad e u p a nd y o ur w ort h a s a h um an is n o t a b out w heth er o r n o t y o u h a ve h a d se x. U h, a nd m oth er is s u p er c o m plic a te d f o r m e b eca use I d on't h a ve k id s. I d on't w ant kid s. I lo ve Ily se 's k id s. T h ey'r e g re a t. U m , b ut a ls o , n o t h a nk y o u p le a se . A nd - Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 44:0 5 Cuz y o u'v e s p en t t im e w it h m y k id s.

Meg a n G ood w in 44:0 7 I lo ve t h em s o m uch . I lo ve t h em s o m uch . A nd t h en e ve ry t im e I v is it I n eed lik e 1 8 n a p s. S o tir e d , I d on't k n o w h o w y o u d o it . B ut lik e a ls o m y r e la tio nsh ip w it h m y m oth er is n o t g re a t, lik e , w e a re n o t in c o nta ct. S o h a vin g - h a vin g a t ra d it io n t h a t c e le b ra te s f e m in in it y a nd gen d er d if fe re n ce a s s a cre d is d op e. H avin g t h a t t ra d it io n w ant t o p ut t h a t in p ro cre a tiv e te rm s w hen p ro cre a tio n is n o t a c e n tra l p rio rit y f o r m e a nd is n o t, lik e , a r e d em ptiv e , o r lib era to ry , o r e ve n f r a nkly , lik e v o lu n ta ry p osit io n f o r w ay t o o m any w om en a nd o th ers , su cks.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 44:5 2 Ye a h.

Meg a n G ood w in 44:5 2 I d on't - I d on't lo ve t h a t. S o , it h a s b een in te re stin g t o w atc h t h is c o m mun it y t h a t I a m a part o f le a rn t o g ra p ple w it h lik e , o ka y, s h it , e ve n t h o ug h w e w ere t ry in g t o d o t h is lib era to ry t h in g , w e s till b oug ht in to a r e a lly , lik e , p ro cre a tiv e , p atria rc h a l m od el o f w hy wom en a re a w eso m e. A nd o h, n o , n o , it 's t h e 9 0 s. A nd w e c a n't p re te n d t ra ns p eo p le d on't exis t a nym ore . B ut a ls o , t h is e sse n tia lis t n a rra tiv e a b out g en d er m ea ns w e h a ve n 't le ft ours e lv e s a w ho le lo t o f s p ace t o lik e , r e co g niz e t ra ns w om en a s w om en . A nd a lo t o f b ig im port a nt f ig ure - f ig ure s f u cke d u p r o ya lly a nd f o r a lo ng t im e, b y in sis tin g t h a t w om en only s p ace s c o uld n't in clu d e t ra ns w om en , w hic h is s tu p id a nd w ro ng , b eca use t ra ns wom en a re w om en . S o , y e a h. I- I w ill le a ve it a t t h a t it is in te re stin g a nd im port a nt, I t h in k, to p ay a tte n tio n t o s p ace s t h a t c la im t o m ake s p ace f o r d if fe re n ce t h a t c la im t o c e le b ra te M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 27 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i dif fe re n ce , b ut s till s tru g gle w it h t h ese p atria rc h a l r e lig io us n a rra tiv e s a nd f r a m ew ork s.

And t h a t w as p rim ary s o urc e s.

[s in g in g ] P rim ary s o urc e s!

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 46 :1 1 We'r e o n p la tfo rm n in e-a nd -th re e-q ua rt e rs b eca use it 's : S TO RYTIM E.

Meg a n G ood w in 46 :2 1 I lo ve it b eca use it 's t ra in a nd H arry P otte r.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 46 :2 4 Lis te n , I d id y o u s o lid t h is w ho le e p is o d e.

Meg a n G ood w in 46 :2 6 Ye a h, I lo ve it . I lo ve it .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 46 :2 9 All r ig ht, I'm g onna d ra w f r o m t h e la te g re a t S a b a M ahm ood 's P olit ic s o f P ie ty , w hic h is a n eth no g ra p hy, a t h eo ry , a g em o f a b ook, f o cu sin g o n t h e w om en 's m osq ue m ove m en t in Eg yp t. T h e w om en 's m osq ue m ove m en t s ig na le d t h e f ir s t t im e in E g yp tia n h is to ry t h a t w e sa w w id esp re a d w om en -le d m ove m en ts , w om en -le d in vo lv e m en t in m osq ues, b ut t h ese wom en a ls o a d vo ca te d f o r c o nse rv a tiv e id ea s a nd id ea ls . M ahm ood w as a sk in g u s in h er work t o t h in k a b out h o w w om en 's m ove m en ts a re la b ele d , " lib era to ry " o r n o t, a nd t h us un d ers to od a s " fr e ed om -lo vin g " o r n o t. T h ese la b el- la b els s e rio usly u n d erc u t, M ahm ood arg ued , t h e id ea o f a gen cy. S o t h a t's a lit tle b it o f a p re a m ble , a nd I'm g oin g t o r e a d f r o m - th e v e ry s ta rt o f P olit ic s o f P ie ty h a s a r e a lly , r e a lly s tro ng in tro d uctio n, a nd t h en le t's re a ct t o it a s is o ur w ont. O ka y, s o f r o m t h e v e ry s ta rt , lik e I'm t a lk in g p age, lik e b otto m o f page o ne, t h e t o p o f p age t w o. " W om en 's p art ic ip atio n in , a nd s u p port f o r, t h e Is la m is t move m en t p ro vo ke s s tro ng r e sp onse s f r o m f e m in is ts a cro ss a b ro a d r a ng e o f t h e p olit ic a l sp ectru m . O ne o f t h e m ost c o m mon r e a ctio ns is t h e s u p posit io n t h a t w om en Is la m is t su p port e rs a re p aw ns in a g ra nd p atria rc h a l p la n, w ho , if f r e ed f r o m t h eir b ond age, w ould na tu ra lly e xp re ss t h eir in stin ctu a l a b ho rre n ce f o r t h e t ra d it io na l Is la m ic m ore s u se d t o en ch a in t h em . E ve n t h o se a na ly sts w ho a re s k e p tic a l o f t h e f a ls e -c o nsc io usn ess t h esis un d erp in nin g t h is a p pro a ch n o neth ele ss c o ntin ue t o f r a m e t h e is su e in t e rm s o f a fu n d am en ta l c o ntra d ic tio n: w hy w ould s u ch a la rg e n um ber o f w om en a cro ss t h e M uslim M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 28 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i world a ctiv e ly s u p port a m ove m en t t h a t s e em s in im ic a l t o t h eir 'o w n in te re sts a nd agen d as,' e sp ecia lly a t h is to ric a l m om en t w hen t h ese w om en a p pea r t o h a ve m ore em ancip ato ry p ossib ilit ie s a va ila b le t o t h em ? D esp it e im port a nt d if fe re n ce s b etw een th ese t w o r e a ctio ns, b oth s h a re t h e a ssu m ptio n t h a t t h ere is s o m eth in g in trin sic t o w om en th a t s h o uld p re d is p ose t h em t o o p pose t h e p ra ctic e s, v a lu es, a nd in ju n ctio ns t h a t t h e Is la m is t m ove m en t e m bod ie s." L et's s to p t h ere , M eg a n.

Meg a n G ood w in 48 :4 1 Ye a h.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 48 :4 1 Wha t d o y o u m ake o f t h is p assa ge f r o m M ahm ood ?

Meg a n G ood w in 48 :4 3 Ye a h, P olit ic s o f P ie ty is o ne o f t h o se b ooks t h a t- ( I f e el lik e I s a y t h is a lo t. B ut w e r e a d t h e stu ff t h a t- t h a t is t h e m ost im port a nt t o u s). T h is b ook f u n d am en ta lly r e w ir e d m y b ra in , th is a nd a ls o t h e- t h e e ssa y v e rs io n t h a t s h e d id in t h e b ook o n J u d it h B utle r a nd r e lig io n.

Th e id ea t h a t a gen cy d oesn 't e q ua l r e sis ta nce f u cke d m e u p , r ig ht, b eca use I'm c o m in g u p th ro ug h a ll o f t h ese ( I n o w r e a liz e ) w hit e , lib era l, f e m in is t, in te lle ctu a l g en ea lo g ie s w here th a t's t h e p oin t, r ig ht? W e a re r e sis tin g , w e a re t h e r e sis ta nce , w e w ill lib era te a ll o f o ur...

all t h a t g ro ss A m eric a n im peria l, w ha te ve r. A nd S a b a M ahm ood w as t h e f ir s t p la ce t h a t I th o ug ht, o h, a gen cy is m ore c o m plic a te d . O h, if w om en n eed t o h a ve c h o ic e s, a nd t h o se ch o ic e s, lik e - if w om en h a ve c h o ic e s, if w om en e ve n w ork in g w it h in o p pre ssiv e fr a m ew ork s, a s w e a ll a re , s till h a ve a gen cie s s till h a ve t h e a b ilit y t o a ct, t h en w e n eed t o ta ke a ll o f t h eir a ctio ns a nd a ll o f t h eir c h o ic e s s e rio usly , e ve n if t h ey'r e n o t t h e c h o ic e s o r th e a ctio ns t h a t w e t h in k w e w ould m ake in t h eir c ir c u m sta nce s a nd in t h eir s h o es. A nd th a t, I t h in k, is r e a lly c h a lle n g in g f o r a lo t o f u s. I k n o w it w as r e a lly c h a lle n g in g f o r m e. S o to s it w it h t h is id ea o f, lik e , w ha t w om en d o is im port a nt a nd w ort h t a kin g s e rio usly re g a rd le ss o f w heth er o r n o t I a gre e w it h it , is a - is a t o ug h b ut im port a nt p la ce , I t h in k, t o sta rt w it h t h e s tu d y o f r e lig io n. A nd it 's a ls o b eca use I a m a d ic k, b ut a ls o n o t w ro ng , a move t h a t I u se in f e m in is t s c h o la rly r o om s t h a t d on't w ant t o t a ke r e lig io n s e rio usly a t a ll, where y o u g et f e m in is t h is to ria ns o r h is to ria ns w ho c a ll t h em se lv e s f e m in is ts s a yin g t h a t wom en d oin g r e lig io n is n 't a ctu a lly im port a nt, o r if t h ey'r e d oin g r e lig io n, it 's r e a lly a b out polit ic s. It 's r e a lly a b out e co no m ic s, it 's r e a lly a b out s o m eth in g e ls e , n o t r e co g niz in g t h a t th ey'r e d oin g r e a l v io le n ce t o t h eir in te rlo cu to rs b y t e llin g t h em t h a t t h e f r a m ew ork s t h a t th ey u se t o e xp la in t h eir m otiv a tio ns, t h eir m ea nin g s, w hy t h ey a re , w ho t h ey a re , is n 't M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 29 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i actu a lly w ha t's g oin g o n, a nd n o t r e co g niz in g t h a t im puls e t o t e ll w om en w ho c o ve r, wom en w ho p art ic ip ate in Is la m is t m ove m en ts , f o r e xa m ple , t h a t w ha t t h ey t h in k t h ey'r e doin g is n 't a ctu a lly w ha t t h ey'r e d oin g . A nd if t h ey r e a lly k n ew w ha t w as g oin g o n, t h ey would p ro b ab ly m ake d if fe re n t c h o ic e s.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 51:2 4 Ye a h. Y e a h, I lo ve t h is b ook. I lo ve t e a ch in g t h is b ook, in m y t h eo ry c la ss, I- I t e a ch t h e art ic le v e rs io n a ctu a lly q uit e f r e q uen tly , e sp ecia lly in in t h is M od ern it y c la ss I'm t e a ch in g rig ht n o w . B ut I t h in k t h a t f o r m e, w ha t M ahm ood h a s t o t e a ch u s a b out g en d er, in ad dit io n t o w ha t y o u'r e s a yin g a b out a gen cy , y o ur p oin t a b out a gen cy n o t e q ua lin g re sis ta nce , a nd - a nd t h a t b ein g m in d b lo w in g is r e a lly im port a nt. T h a t is o ft e n t h e ta ke a w ay I w ant f o r s tu d en ts t o g et o ut o f M ahm ood . I t h in k t h e o th er t h in g I w ant t o p ay atte n tio n t o is t h a t M ahm ood is n o t w rit in g a b out ju st a nyb od y. S h e's n o t w rit in g a b out co nse rv a tiv e w hit e e va ng elic a ls in T e xa s, s h e's w rit in g a b out M uslim w om en w ho a re actu a lly b oth g oin g a ga in st t h e g ra in a nd s till s u p port in g a c o nse rv a tiv e , lik e , s e t o f move m en ts . S o I t h in k t h a t f o r m e, w ha t I w ant s tu d en ts t o t a ke a w ay is t h a t, h o w d o o ur assu m ptio ns a b out Is la m a nd a b out M uslim w om en a lr e a d y, lik e t a in t t h e w ay t h a t w e ca n im agin e t h ese E g yp tia n w om en a s h a vin g a gen cy a nd t h e k in d o f a gen cy t h ey h a ve?

Meg a n G ood w in 52:4 4 Ye a h. O r w ha t w e c a n e ve n r e co g niz e a s a gen cy , r ig ht?

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 52:4 7 Exa ctly . B eca use I t h in k lik e , I t h in k t h a t w ha t's in te re stin g a b out t h is e xa m ple is it 's n o t ju st lik e , I d on't k n o w , it 's n o t ju st lik e w ha t I s e e in t h e U nit e d S ta te s o f lik e , s ta nd b y y o ur man k in d o f p olit ic s.

Meg a n G ood w in 52:5 7 Rig ht? L ik e , t h is is n 't lik e a b ib lic a l w om anh o od t h in g .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 52:5 9 Exa ctly . It 's n o t a b ib lic a l w om anh o od k in d o f t h in g . B ut w ha t I s e e is t h ese w om en b ein g lik e - d oin g r e a l a ctiv is m w ork a b out b ein g in vo lv e d in m osq ue s p ace s t h a t h a d n o t pre vio usly a llo w ed t h em t o b e in t h o se m osq ue s p ace s. A nd , a t t h e s a m e t im e, t h a t M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 30 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i in vo lv e m en t is n o t f o r s o m e lik e - lik e w e t a lk e d a b out in t h e la st e p is o d e, lik e A m in a Wad ud m ix e d g en d er p ra ye r le a d in g a nd a d vo ca tin g f o r- f o r q ueer a nd f e m in is t a nd ra d ic a l p ro g re ssiv is m . It 's " g iv e m e a cce ss t o t h e m osq ue, a nd I w ant t o b e a n o rg a niz e r in th e m osq ue, a nd I a ls o w ant s e p ara te p ra ye r s p ace s. I d on't m in d t h e la ng ua ge o f co nse rv a tiv is m t h a t's h a p pen in g h ere . I d on't m in d c o m plim en ta ry g en d er r o le s." A nd s o I th in k w ha t M ahm ood is p re se n tin g u s w it h is a c o m plic a tio n o f n o t ju st- lik e t h a t, t h a t th ere is - it 's n o t ju st a gen cy is o r is n 't r e sis ta nce . It 's ,w e n eed t o lo ok a t a ll o f t h is a t t h e sa m e t im e a nd w e n eed t o a sk w hy w e'r e s o r e tic e n t t o g ra nt M uslim w om en , p art ic u la rly in t h e M id dle E a st a nd N ort h A fr ic a , t h a t a b ilit y t o b e a gen tia l.

Meg a n G ood w in 54 :1 1 Ye a h, y e a h. S o g ood . B ut d on't p ack u p y o ur s tu ff y e t, n erd s. Y o u'v e g ot H O M EW ORK.

Sim pso ns 54 :1 7 Hom ew ork , w ha t h o m ew ork ?

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 54 :1 9 By n o w y o u k n o w t h a t t a lk in g t o o f a st is k in d o f o ur t h in g . S o if y o u m is se d a nyth in g , ple a se d on't f o rg et a b out t h e s h o w n o te s. I s p en d a lo t o f t im e o n t h em . A nd t h a t's w here we s ta sh lin ks, c it a tio ns, t h in g s y o u m ay h a ve m is se d , a nd w e d o o ur b est t o m ake s u re th a t t h ere 's n o p ayw alls o r if t h ere is , b eca use a ccu ra te c it a tio n, t h a t w e f in d y o u o th er no t- p ayw alle d t h in g s p lu s, t h a t's w here w e h id e t h e t ra nsc rip ts . G ood w in , y o u'r e u p , w ha t do y o u f e el lik e a ssig nin g t o d ay?

Meg a n G ood w in 54 :4 3 Oka y, w ell, in a d dit io n t o P olit ic s o f P ie ty , w hic h y o u s h o uld o b vio usly c h eck o ut S a b a Mahm ood p asse d n o t t h a t lo ng a go a nd o ur o w n b elo ve d L iz B uca r, w ho s tu d ie d w it h Sa b a a t C hic a go, w ro te a r e fle ctio n o n w ha t t h a t w as lik e . S o I w ill g et y o u t h e lin k f o r th a t, a ls o y o u s h o uld c h eck o ut L iz B uca r's P io us F a sh io n b eca use it 's s m art a nd in te re stin g a nd f u n t o r e a d . W e d id n't t a lk a b out t h is m uch o n t h e e p is o d e b ut a no th er re a lly im port a nt o ve rla p b etw een s e x a nd r e lig io n in te rn a tio na lly is t h e e xp ort in g o f co nse rv a tiv e C hris tia n s e xu a l m ora lit y f r o m t h e U nit e d S ta te s t o p la ce s c o nse rv a tiv e , usu a lly w hit e , C hris tia ns m is sio niz e d . S o t h is h a s h a d p art ic u la rly g ru eso m e c o nse q uen ce s in p la ce s lik e U ga nd a. U m , I w ill g iv e y o u lin ks t o r e lig io n d is p atc h es c o ve ra ge o f t h is is su e, whic h h a s b een r e a lly s o lid o r- it 's a c o up le y e a rs o ld n o w , b ut- is r e a lly s o lid . A nd a ls o M S Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 31 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i re co m men d t h a t y o u c h eck o ut t h e d ocu m en ta rie s " C all M e K uch u" a nd " G od lo ve s Uga nd a," b oth o f w hic h I'v e u se d in c la sse s. M y r e lig io n a nd s e xu a lit y c o urs e is a ctu a lly m y most in te rn a tio na l c o urs e a ft e r g lo b al r e lig io ns, d uh . S o I'l l h o ok y o u u p w it h t h a t s y lla b us.

And t h is is c h ea tin g b eca use it 's A m eric a n, b ut D eb ra M aje ed 's P oly g yn y b ook is r e a lly so lid . S o y o u s h o uld c h eck o ut t h a t b ook a nd w e a ls o h a ve a n in te rv ie w w it h h er o n n ew books, s o y o u c a n h a ve t h a t. I lik e N ajm ab ad i o n g en d er r e a ssig nm en t s u rg ery in Ir a n, t h a t book is c a lle d P ro fe ssin g S elv e s, m ore in te rv ie w s. A nd a ga in , o ur g ir l L iz B uca r h a s s o m e re a lly s m art s tu ff a b out le sb ia n a cts a nd id en tit y in Ir a n. F in a lly , Ily se m en tio ned pin kw ash in g , s o I'm g oin g t o p oin t y o u t o w ard a s h o rt a rt ic le I r e a lly lik e b y It a S eg ev ca lle d " Is ra el M ake s t h e H orm ones I N eed b ut I S up port P ale stin ia n L ib era tio n" a b out t h e co m plic a te d n a tu re o f t ra ns s o lid arit y w it h P ale stin e a nd P ale stin ia ns.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 56 :2 7 Ye a h, y o u g ot h a m . G ood jo b .

Meg a n G ood w in 56 :2 9 I h a ve a lo t o f- I h a ve a lo t o f f e elin g s.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 56 :3 2 I w ill o b vio usly lin k t o a ll t h e t h in g s I r e fe re n ce d e a rlie r, s o I'l l g et y o u a n e xp la in er o n s a ti, I'l l g et y o u s o m e s o urc e s o n h ijr a c o m mun it ie s e tc . S o I'l l d o a g ood jo b o f m akin g s u re th a t y o u h a ve c lic ka b le lis te n a b le t h in g s Meg a n G ood w in 56 :4 6 Rad .

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 56 :4 7 But, o n t h e h ijr a c o m mun it y in p art ic u la r I w ant y o u t o r e a d G aya tri R ed dy's W it h R esp ect to S ex.

Meg a n G ood w in 56 :5 2 Ye s.

M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 32 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 56 :5 2 And m ore - a m ore r e ce n t b ook I t h in k it ju st c a m e o ut la st y e a r,J e ssic a H in ch y's G ove rn in g Gen d er a nd S exu a lit y in C olo nia l In d ia : t h e h ijr a , w hic h is a b it lik e - R ed dy's is a n eth no g ra p hy, s o s h e's d oin g in te rv ie w s w it h t h e h ijr a c o m mun it y , H in ch y's is a h is to ric a l, lik e , a rc h iv a l b ook, s o t h ey'r e g ood t o g eth er. I a m g oin g t o r e c a b ook t h a t w e r e a d to g eth er in a b ookc lu b ...

Meg a n G ood w in 57:1 9 We d id !

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 57:1 9 a f e w y e a rs a go c a lle d S exa gone b y M eh em mad A m ad eu s M ack, a b out F ra nce a nd na tio na l id en tit y a nd g en d er, e sp ecia lly m asc u lin it y a nd h yp er- m asc u lin it y . U m , a nd esp ecia lly w it h in t h a t, M uslim a nd N ort h A fr ic a n im mig ra nt c o m mun it ie s in F ra nce , s o it 's ta kin g g en d er, u h , r e a lly s e rio usly a nd t h in kin g a b out it in t e rm s o f n a tio na l id en tit y , b ut alm ost e xc lu siv e ly f o cu sin g o n m asc u lin it y a nd h yp er- m asc u lin it y f o r M uslim im mig ra nts .

Meg a n G ood w in 57:4 7 Als o a v e ry a ttra ctiv e m an o n t h a t c o ve r.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 57:5 0 He is in f a ct, a n a d ult f ilm s ta r.

Meg a n G ood w in 57:5 3 He is , I le a rn ed t h in g s in t h a t b ook.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 57:5 5 Uh, I'm g onna g iv e y o u a k in d o f w eir d h o m ew ork a ssig nm en t, n erd s. If y o u w ant t o s e e a Bud dhis t n un b e c e le b ra te d f o r c o okin g r e lig io usly b y f iv e s ta r c h efs , d o c h eck o ut N etflix Chef's T a b le , s e a so n t h re e, e p is o d e o ne, " J e o ng K w an." T h is e p is o d e is lik e , f r a nkly , v is u a lly stu n nin g , a s a ll o f t h o se s h o w s a re b ut s h e's a B ud dhis t n un w ho is , I g uess, in c h a rg e o f a Bud dhis t m ona ste ry f o r w om en . B ut B ud dhis m , g en d er, a nd f o od a re t h e s ta rs o f t h is M M Mg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

Pa g e 33 o f 34 Tra n sc rib ed b y http s://o tte r.a i ep is o d e. A nd it 's - it 's q uit e f a sc in a tin g , p art ic u la rly w hen a ll t h ese lik e F re n ch c h ef co nve rt s t o B ud dhis m a re lik e , b asic a lly ju st e a tin g lik e a d aik o n r a d is h a nd lik e r a vin g ove r it . It 's lik e - it 's lik e , it 's p re tty g re a t. It 's p re tty g re a t. S o I'l l e n d - I'l l e n d t h ere .

Meg a n G ood w in 58 :4 3 Oka y, I n eed I n eed t o w atc h t h a t a nd p ossib ly u se t h a t in m y g lo b al r e lig io ns c la ss. T h a t so un d s a m azin g . T h a t's it , t h a t's t h e p od . P le a se g iv e a h ip h ip h o ora y f o r K ath erin e Bre n na n, t ra nsc rip tio n Q ueen , w ho se w ork m ake s t h is p od a cce ssib le . A s u su a l, c o m e v is it us in o ur d ig it a l h o m es, w hic h is t o s a y, T w it te r.

Ily se M org en ste in F uers t 59 :0 2 And y o u c a n f in d M eg a n o n t w it te r @ mpgp hd a nd Ily se , t h a t's m e, @ pro fir m f o r t h e s h o w @ke ep in g it _ 10 1. F in d t h e w eb sit e a t k e ep in g it 1 0 1.c o m . T h a t's w here w e p ut t h e tra nsc rip ts . D ro p u s a r a tin g o r r e vie w in y o ur p od ca tc h er o f c h o ic e . A nd w it h t h a t, p ea ce out n erd s!

Meg a n G ood w in 59 :2 3 Do y o ur h o m ew ork ! It 's o n t h e s y lla b us.

De L a S o ul 59 :2 4 Eng in e, e n g in e n um ber n in e, o n t h e N ew Y o rk t ra nsit lin e, if m y t ra in g oes o ff t h e t ra ck, pic k it u p , p ic k it u p , p ic k it u p .

M M Dg en d er-s e xu alit y -a n d -r e lig io n -in -w hat-s -n ot-t h e-u nit e d -s ta te ...

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